Thursday, January 8, 2009

Girl Power (Where are the Female Super Heroes?)

Jezebel outlines a little tet-a-tet between one movie site, claiming there needs to be more female super hero movies and another site, claiming we don't need them but I think that both sites are kind of missing the point.

The guy at cinemablend is an asshole. Women watch superhero movies and they read comic books. Period. So his sex in the city argument is pretty rank.

The lady at ropesofsilicon has a bit of a point, but is blaming the wrong things: female super hero movies are, in fact, being made and they suck. Sorry. (she also criticizes Mary Jane Watson from Spiderman for being de-sexed while ignoring the fact that the problem with most female heroes's is that they are frequently over-sexed and given less personality and background than written into Mary Jane).

The problem is not the quantity of female hero-- there isn't enough because there never have been many in the first place-- but the quality. And that, until recently, has been the problem with all super hero movies.

Perhaps we've already been spoiled by The Dark Knight and Iron Man, but did everyone somehow forget the Fantastic Four, Daredevil, Puninsher 1, Superman Returns, Ghost Rider or X3?

There are only so many super hero movies, only so many super hero movies of quality and even fewer super heroines for whom there might be a quality film made.



Ladies, your hope, essentially, lies with Wonder Woman and She-Hulk (I especially like She-Hulk, as she's been recently re-conned into some kind of super Nympho lawyer). Sure, there's others out there but they are the equivalent to Aquaman. Unless the film itself takes liberties with the material, no audience is going to flock to see Zantana on the big screen. They might flock to see a Power Girl movie but, trust me, it'll be for all the wrong reasons....

In comic books, women are generally supporting characters or are on a team. When they aren't, we try to make them into movies (hello Electra and Catwoman) and those movies suck.

By why not embrace the options?

For one, why does the female hero have to be either a) super or b) the titular star? Y, the Last Man is a comic book going to be made into a movie about a world where men are killed off in a plague-- and the main character, Yorrick, is largely a hapless dolt surrounded by stronger and fiercer women who have to save his ass all the time. Do you need this film to be "about" women when it's filled out by nothing but strong female characters?

And why do people always focus on super heroes? What, is Strangers In Paradice no longer a comic book? Wasn't Persepolis a graphic novel? Or Ghost World? Women, as characters, are often better explored (and less exploited) in non-super hero comics, why not use that for inspiration?

Are women really so eager to indulge in power fantasies?

And anyway, with Battle Angel Akira on it's way to being adapted, it's pretty clear that if you want some "female heroes" you're best bet is manga, not American comics. Check out the Borders aisles and you'll probably start to notice the difference....

10 comments:

  1. I think you hit the nail when you mentioned "quality" superhero movies. I love Wonder Woman when she's written well (funny enough one of the best incarnations I've seen of her was the Justice League cartoon. What made her great was that they wrote her totally un-campy and made the viewer believe it). What worries me is they're going to get some Hollywood bimbo who can't act to portray a character who deserves the same iconic status as Batman. It would also be tricky to get Wonder Woman's (along with many female superheroines) costume to translate to the big screen- it'd take a lot of adjusting and tweaking to make the costume work and then you'd risk pissing off the fanboys for not staying true to the orginal (the best bet would be going for one of Wonder Woman's older costumes).

    In a similar vein, what about supervillainesses? Batman's got some of the greatest and most complicated set of female villains and yet the new movies are a sausage fest. Both Catwoman and Poison Ivy were treated abysmally by directors in their recent film stints (Michelle Pfhiffer was great as Catwoman but Halle Berry wasn't, she also wasn't a strong enough Storm. Two of my fav super ladies, ouch. And I could kill Joel Schumacher for what he did to Poison Ivy, making her into some campy slut who couldn't fight when in her best portrayals she used her sexuality strategically and was an excellent fighter. Bad as the movie was it was made 10 times worse when I saw Uma Thurman in Kill Bill and realized how kick ass she could've been in the role with a better director and writer.)

    At any rate, I wouldn't give up on American comics all together, some of the best characters in the Marvel universe are women, but like you said they tend to be in teams. However, I'd argue the same is true with the men. Wolverine's become a solo player now, but he started in a team and tends to be most popular in a team or duo. Similarly, Rogue is a great female character that can hold her own (you wouldn't know it from the movies where they portrayed her as a softy kid, true Rogue fans were a little pissed because in the comics she was a villain turned hero but still had a tendancy towards bad-assery). Perhaps the future of comics characters in general are team dynamics because they force writers to think beyond typical archetypes- in a solo movie the hero and villain can be cookie cutter but on a team you need different personalities to create something for the characters to respond to, to create conflict and to justify why you have more than one hero or villain to begin with.

    Lastly, I'd just like to go back to the issue of quality. If audiences are given well written female characters they will spend money to go see them. The popularity of female driven TV shows like Buffy the Vampire Slayer and Xena Warrior Princess, even now, years after those shows have been cancelled, proves it. If Wonder Woman, Storm or She-Hulk were given the same treatment as Iron Man or Chris Nolan's Batman franchise they'd be equally popular (I'm saying this well aware that many male superheros have also not been given treatment as good as Iron Man or Batman). Moviegoers nowadays want their comics treated with respect and without camp. A lesser known character done really well will always out sell a well known character done poorly. Hellboy got a sequal, Superman Returns sure didn't.

    ReplyDelete
  2. "For one, why does the female hero have to be either a) super or b) the titular star? Y, the Last Man is a comic book going to be made into a movie about a world where men are killed off in a plague-- and the main character, Yorrick, is largely a hapless dolt surrounded by stronger and fiercer women who have to save his ass all the time. Do you need this film to be "about" women when it's filled out by nothing but strong female characters?"

    Y: The Last Man also shows how fucked up the world would be without men. The place is basically a shithole. It really doesn't make women look that good actually.

    ReplyDelete
  3. Also women are a small percentage of the comic book reading customers.

    ReplyDelete
  4. Allow me to clear this up. In your extreme naivety (or unwillingness to face the truth) you have forgotten that movie making is not an art but a business. People (by which I mean most men AND most women) don't want to see a female superhero. This is for a variety of reasons, not the least of which being that women aren't as strong as men, and superheroes need to look strong. When women do look strong, they look gross, and most people don't want to see that. yes, its that simple. Yes, people are that simple.

    Now, remembering that filmmaking is a business first and an art second, why the hell would anyone make a superhero movie with a female lead without first sexing her up ala Tomb Raider? why WOULD they?

    They wouldn't. It's not profitable.

    mystery solved, you're welcome.

    -Paul

    ReplyDelete
  5. Replying to Nadeau-- you should look again at the manga buying audiences, which are largely female. Traditional super hero comics may not draw a huge female demographic but they do make up a large percentage of the over-all comic reading public.

    Replying to Paul-- seek help.

    ReplyDelete
  6. HOODED SUPERGIRL
    I might be a bit out of context here... but I need assistance. About eight months ago I stumbled upon a movie on TV, unfortunately it was towards the end. Apparently this "supergirl" had just saved a father and his daughter from a bunch of thugs and the movie ends with the woman standing high on a pier and the man and his daughter down below wondering where she'd gone. I believe she didn't want to get involved because she was still trying to forget a past in which she lost her own daughter in tragedy.
    This looked like a good movie and I would really love to watch it, unfortunately I don't have it's name. Please help!

    ReplyDelete
  7. I think female superheros (or just heros) are being made into nothing more than women with big tits. there are good female superheros still,many being poorly portrayed by a ditsy actress.
    and directors are hardly staying true to any facts about the heros in their movies.

    ReplyDelete
  8. Hello people. Has like anyone seen the 7!!! seasons of Buffy the Vampire Slayer. Buffys strong, funny, and a total badass, but the best thing is that shes charming and pretty, not suductive and sexy. Trust me when I say there is a huge differnce. Plus Sarah Michelle Geller is a fantastic actress with experience and kung fu moves. She is also surrounded with other great actor/actresses all with characters that are just as creative as her own. I have to admit the last season of Buffy was defiantly lacking some of the original buffy charm, and If they do make a movie with the buffyworld but no buffy, or remake the original movie without Sarah, it's practically a fact that the movie will fall flat on its face then get up and go straight to DVD. I have watched every episode of buffy atleast 5 times each and I never get tired of it. If women are complaining about the lack of movies with strong female leads that are any good at all, I think they should watch some of these kickass TV shows: Buffy the Vampire Slayer- Buffy Summers and Willow
    Dark Angel- Max
    True Blood- Sookie Stackhouse
    Angel- Cordilia Chase and later "Fred" Burkle
    Vampire Diaries- Elena Gilbert
    Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicals- Sarah Connor and Cameron Phillips

    And if you really want to you can watch Kim Possible;]

    ReplyDelete
  9. That's Battle Angel ALITA, not Akira.

    ReplyDelete